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]]> By: Jeanne http://www.bfdblog.com/2009/06/18/i-dont-care-for-your-fairytales/comment-page-1/#comment-17662 Jeanne Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:04:40 +0000 http://www.bfdblog.com/?p=1246#comment-17662 sorry to be so late to the comment party. I totally agree with most of the posters but esp Ms Jinxx. However the more I thought about it could Fallen not mean the Fallen Angel type, but more like Fallen on Hard Times? Like the princesses have each lost what was most precious to them. Rapunzel is bald, Cinderella is drinking alone in a bar with no party to go to or any friends (animal or fairy). Belle is losing her looks & needs plastic surgery. Sleeping Beauty has just missed her whole life (or possibly her prince's depending on the condition of her waking up) It still makes no sense for LRRH except as a wretched fat joke, like she's lost her little girl figure & what could be more horrible? I guess I was trying to figure out what interpretation would cast a cancer victim as Fallen & went from there. Also Miriam LOL at the art student bit! sorry to be so late to the comment party. I totally agree with most of the posters but esp Ms Jinxx. However the more I thought about it could Fallen not mean the Fallen Angel type, but more like Fallen on Hard Times? Like the princesses have each lost what was most precious to them. Rapunzel is bald, Cinderella is drinking alone in a bar with no party to go to or any friends (animal or fairy). Belle is losing her looks & needs plastic surgery. Sleeping Beauty has just missed her whole life (or possibly her prince’s depending on the condition of her waking up)

It still makes no sense for LRRH except as a wretched fat joke, like she’s lost her little girl figure & what could be more horrible? I guess I was trying to figure out what interpretation would cast a cancer victim as Fallen & went from there.

Also Miriam LOL at the art student bit!

]]> By: Miriam Heddy http://www.bfdblog.com/2009/06/18/i-dont-care-for-your-fairytales/comment-page-1/#comment-17675 Miriam Heddy Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:24:27 +0000 http://www.bfdblog.com/?p=1246#comment-17675 @Ms Jinxx, I get the feeling, from her responses, that Ms. Goldstein's sense of art and art criticism is limited to being in an undergraduate workshop setting, and she's still waiting for the teacher to step in and direct the class to talk about the next photographer in the group. @Ms Jinxx,
I get the feeling, from her responses, that Ms. Goldstein’s sense of art and art criticism is limited to being in an undergraduate workshop setting, and she’s still waiting for the teacher to step in and direct the class to talk about the next photographer in the group.

]]> By: Ms Jinxx http://www.bfdblog.com/2009/06/18/i-dont-care-for-your-fairytales/comment-page-1/#comment-17661 Ms Jinxx Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:12:10 +0000 http://www.bfdblog.com/?p=1246#comment-17661 @ Wendy , totally agree there. I followed the link hoping to see what the fuss was about and maybe see some other interesting and thought provoking pictures besides. No luck there. Not only do I find the project mostly uninspired but I struggle to make the connections in some of the pictures that I assume the artist was going for. All in all, the shots are very well lit and staged but the "deeper" meaning behind them is mostly shallow. @ Miriam , Well said. i think the way the artist reacted to the negative comments is ridiculous. Not only the "relax" comment, but the other further in where she "...feel that perhaps people are over thinking and projecting their own insecurities in their commentary." Of course we are! That is what art is about, the personal injection of one's own feelings and thoughts on to a piece which makes that piece resonate for us in some manner. I find it laughable that Ms . Goldstein would be so surprised at the reactions to photos that are obviously meant to incite reaction! Also she states she is " ... very disappointed after having gone to several of of my commentators pages and noticed that they have no pictures up of their own. This is photo community , not just a forum for discussion." Apparently anyone who does not, themselves, have photos on this site is not entitled to an opinion on a piece that she put there for PUBLIC CRITIQUE! Sorry for the length of this comment, but I am less offended by the content of the actual picture in question than by the behaviour of the supposed "artist" @ Wendy , totally agree there. I followed the link hoping to see what the fuss was about and maybe see some other interesting and thought provoking pictures besides. No luck there. Not only do I find the project mostly uninspired but I struggle to make the connections in some of the pictures that I assume the artist was going for. All in all, the shots are very well lit and staged but the “deeper” meaning behind them is mostly shallow.

@ Miriam , Well said. i think the way the artist reacted to the negative comments is ridiculous. Not only the “relax” comment, but the other further in where she “…feel that perhaps people are over thinking and projecting their own insecurities in their commentary.” Of course we are! That is what art is about, the personal injection of one’s own feelings and thoughts on to a piece which makes that piece resonate for us in some manner. I find it laughable that Ms . Goldstein would be so surprised at the reactions to photos that are obviously meant to incite reaction! Also she states she is ” … very disappointed after having gone to several of of my commentators pages and noticed that they have no pictures up of their own.
This is photo community , not just a forum for discussion.” Apparently anyone who does not, themselves, have photos on this site is not entitled to an opinion on a piece that she put there for PUBLIC CRITIQUE!

Sorry for the length of this comment, but I am less offended by the content of the actual picture in question than by the behaviour of the supposed “artist”

]]> By: Molly http://www.bfdblog.com/2009/06/18/i-dont-care-for-your-fairytales/comment-page-1/#comment-17657 Molly Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:31:18 +0000 http://www.bfdblog.com/?p=1246#comment-17657 I don't know if anyone has seen the artist's own comments about this series, so here is a link to it: http://www.jpgmag.com/stories/11918 tl;dr version: The artist grew up somewhere where she didn't see any disney movies and observed three year old girls and presumably her own daughter falling in love with disney princesses, became intrigued with the stories and put her own spin on them. Two more pics will be done and then the whole shebang will be on exhibit somewhere. artist blurb: "The Disney versions almost always have sad beginning, with an overbearing female villain, and the end is predictably a happy one. The Prince usually saves the day and makes the victimized young beauty into a Princess." I don’t know if anyone has seen the artist’s own comments about this series, so here is a link to it:
http://www.jpgmag.com/stories/11918
tl;dr version: The artist grew up somewhere where she didn’t see any disney movies and observed three year old girls and presumably her own daughter falling in love with disney princesses, became intrigued with the stories and put her own spin on them. Two more pics will be done and then the whole shebang will be on exhibit somewhere.

artist blurb: “The Disney versions almost always have sad beginning, with an overbearing female villain, and the end is predictably a happy one. The Prince usually saves the day and makes the victimized young beauty into a Princess.”

]]> By: Ana http://www.bfdblog.com/2009/06/18/i-dont-care-for-your-fairytales/comment-page-1/#comment-17660 Ana Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:54:43 +0000 http://www.bfdblog.com/?p=1246#comment-17660 this is probably a tad unrelated, but I've just read something that almost had me fall off my chair. According to a study in Japan, people who are overweight at the age of 40, live longer. So I'm guessing that fashion designers really need to reassess their priorities. This is the link: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/wellbeing/study-tips-scales-the-other-way-overweight-people-live-longer-20090618-cm13.html this is probably a tad unrelated, but I’ve just read something that almost had me fall off my chair.
According to a study in Japan, people who are overweight at the age of 40, live longer. So I’m guessing that fashion designers really need to reassess their priorities.
This is the link:

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/wellbeing/study-tips-scales-the-other-way-overweight-people-live-longer-20090618-cm13.html

]]> By: mo pie http://www.bfdblog.com/2009/06/18/i-dont-care-for-your-fairytales/comment-page-1/#comment-17655 mo pie Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:50:30 +0000 http://www.bfdblog.com/?p=1246#comment-17655 Alise, that was a quote, it was Brenda who said the piece was not art. Alise, that was a quote, it was Brenda who said the piece was not art.

]]> By: Alise http://www.bfdblog.com/2009/06/18/i-dont-care-for-your-fairytales/comment-page-1/#comment-17663 Alise Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:32:54 +0000 http://www.bfdblog.com/?p=1246#comment-17663 Though I agree with your analysis of the piece, I really have to take issue with your statement that the photo "is not art". Just because you don't personally agree with what the artist is trying to say, doesn't lessen the photo's status as "art". Though I agree with your analysis of the piece, I really have to take issue with your statement that the photo “is not art”. Just because you don’t personally agree with what the artist is trying to say, doesn’t lessen the photo’s status as “art”.

]]> By: Rebby http://www.bfdblog.com/2009/06/18/i-dont-care-for-your-fairytales/comment-page-1/#comment-17674 Rebby Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:03:50 +0000 http://www.bfdblog.com/?p=1246#comment-17674 Maybe I'm missing the point because I'm soooo outraged and I have to be honest and say it's not the Little Red Riding Hood image that disgusts me the most (although I'm in agreement with the majority here). Doesn't the phrase "Fallen" indicate somehow someone lost their way in life by their choice, or rather their own doing (isn't Lucifer the most well know "Fallen Angel")? REALLY??? Does Ms. Goldstein really consider the woman who gets cancer and has to loose all her hair from chemo "Fallen"? Does she consider the woman who chooses to become a mom and have more than the "normal" 2.5 kids "Fallen"? I won't even touch the Red Riding Hood pic and how she contradicts herself with the image of Belle, it would just take up too much space! To me all this series shows is a photographer desperate for attention so she took the amazingly beautiful Disney ads that have been circulating for a while done by Annie Leibovitz and twisted it to create controversy. And she did it in a TMZ kind of way not an Edward Gorey kind of way. Annie Leibovitz she is not and if she really believes the majority of what she shows in her series to constitute "Fallen" then she's got some Karma to look out for! Maybe I’m missing the point because I’m soooo outraged and I have to be honest and say it’s not the Little Red Riding Hood image that disgusts me the most (although I’m in agreement with the majority here). Doesn’t the phrase “Fallen” indicate somehow someone lost their way in life by their choice, or rather their own doing (isn’t Lucifer the most well know “Fallen Angel”)? REALLY??? Does Ms. Goldstein really consider the woman who gets cancer and has to loose all her hair from chemo “Fallen”? Does she consider the woman who chooses to become a mom and have more than the “normal” 2.5 kids “Fallen”? I won’t even touch the Red Riding Hood pic and how she contradicts herself with the image of Belle, it would just take up too much space!

To me all this series shows is a photographer desperate for attention so she took the amazingly beautiful Disney ads that have been circulating for a while done by Annie Leibovitz and twisted it to create controversy. And she did it in a TMZ kind of way not an Edward Gorey kind of way. Annie Leibovitz she is not and if she really believes the majority of what she shows in her series to constitute “Fallen” then she’s got some Karma to look out for!

]]> By: Chantal http://www.bfdblog.com/2009/06/18/i-dont-care-for-your-fairytales/comment-page-1/#comment-17673 Chantal Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:11:16 +0000 http://www.bfdblog.com/?p=1246#comment-17673 I thought the Little Red Riding Hood photo was beautiful...the model is a GORGEOUS fat woman and is portrayed as such - beautifully made up and in lovely clothes. She also looks HAPPY while eating McDonalds, not ashamed or disgusted with herself. I think it portrays a woman who has a healthy relationship with food. A woman who says "Fuck it, I want McDonalds right now and I don't care what YOU think about it". Nor does it bother me that she has a basket load of the food - she's bringing it to her grandmother's house to share! I think the photo would have been offensive if it showed a slovenly, grossly misproportioned LRRH in too tight clothes shoving the entire basket of food into her mouth with her jaw unhinged, or maybe surrounded by the wrappers from all the food, burping and farting and picking at herself. But as it is? I like it. Sometimes I want to eat McDonalds and I when I do, I enjoy it - like the LRRH is in the picture. I thought the Little Red Riding Hood photo was beautiful…the model is a GORGEOUS fat woman and is portrayed as such – beautifully made up and in lovely clothes. She also looks HAPPY while eating McDonalds, not ashamed or disgusted with herself. I think it portrays a woman who has a healthy relationship with food. A woman who says “Fuck it, I want McDonalds right now and I don’t care what YOU think about it”. Nor does it bother me that she has a basket load of the food – she’s bringing it to her grandmother’s house to share! I think the photo would have been offensive if it showed a slovenly, grossly misproportioned LRRH in too tight clothes shoving the entire basket of food into her mouth with her jaw unhinged, or maybe surrounded by the wrappers from all the food, burping and farting and picking at herself. But as it is? I like it. Sometimes I want to eat McDonalds and I when I do, I enjoy it – like the LRRH is in the picture.

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