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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s bothered me to some extent for awhile that very thin actresses are cast as attractive lead characters in times when it just doesn&#039;t make sense. They go to all the effort of designing and sewing period costumes, but the person wearing it would probably be considered hideous at the time the story takes place!

Though when I saw the show &quot;Legally Blonde&quot; one of the actresses who later plays a stereotypical/caricature lesbian feminist character was heavy and she was in the opening number as a sorority girl. I&#039;ll admit, that seemed wrong too because for that character appearance was important. (Not to say there aren&#039;t fat girls in sororities too, but it didn&#039;t fit in this particular instance.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s bothered me to some extent for awhile that very thin actresses are cast as attractive lead characters in times when it just doesn&#8217;t make sense. They go to all the effort of designing and sewing period costumes, but the person wearing it would probably be considered hideous at the time the story takes place!</p>
<p>Though when I saw the show &#8220;Legally Blonde&#8221; one of the actresses who later plays a stereotypical/caricature lesbian feminist character was heavy and she was in the opening number as a sorority girl. I&#8217;ll admit, that seemed wrong too because for that character appearance was important. (Not to say there aren&#8217;t fat girls in sororities too, but it didn&#8217;t fit in this particular instance.)</p>
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		<title>By: mo pie</title>
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		<dc:creator>mo pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, I saw Spring Awakening here in SF a couple of weeks ago and really liked it. (The soundtrack is in constant rotation on my NotPod.)  It&#039;s great to know the Broadway cast is so size diverse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, I saw Spring Awakening here in SF a couple of weeks ago and really liked it. (The soundtrack is in constant rotation on my NotPod.)  It&#8217;s great to know the Broadway cast is so size diverse.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the double post, but here&#039;s another pic showing the beautiful and buxom Emma Hunton alongside her (shorter AND smaller than her) love interest in the show. Hooray! http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabarnesnoblecall460eaz6.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the double post, but here&#8217;s another pic showing the beautiful and buxom Emma Hunton alongside her (shorter AND smaller than her) love interest in the show. Hooray! <a href="http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabarnesnoblecall460eaz6.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabarnesnoblecall460eaz6.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How funny that I was just going to bring a theater-related item to Mo&#039;s attention, and then here was this thread, all ready for me to comment! BFD wins again!

I&#039;m a huge musical theater fan and I wanted to give a shout-out to the people who cast Spring Awakening for representing a variety of body types in the current incarnation of the Broadway cast...see a pic of the leading ladies here: http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabarnesnoblecall460baj6.jpg

I wouldn&#039;t really describe any of these girls as fat, but I&#039;ve gotten so used to seeing only stick-thin girls up on stage, that it&#039;s refreshing to see some realistic bodies up there. Especially significant is the fact that these are actual teenage girls playing teenage girl roles -- so it&#039;s a good thing for the actresses, and good for the audience members who get to see some different types of beauty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How funny that I was just going to bring a theater-related item to Mo&#8217;s attention, and then here was this thread, all ready for me to comment! BFD wins again!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a huge musical theater fan and I wanted to give a shout-out to the people who cast Spring Awakening for representing a variety of body types in the current incarnation of the Broadway cast&#8230;see a pic of the leading ladies here: <a href="http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabarnesnoblecall460baj6.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sabarnesnoblecall460baj6.jpg</a></p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t really describe any of these girls as fat, but I&#8217;ve gotten so used to seeing only stick-thin girls up on stage, that it&#8217;s refreshing to see some realistic bodies up there. Especially significant is the fact that these are actual teenage girls playing teenage girl roles &#8212; so it&#8217;s a good thing for the actresses, and good for the audience members who get to see some different types of beauty.</p>
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		<title>By: Gracie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gracie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an interesting discussion in the comments for the article, including the author replying to a commenter who brought up the issue of tearing down all thin actresses. She clarifies her idea of what a &#039;pretty-pretty&#039; actress is:

&quot;Argh! That was what I most wanted to avoid. I really am not dissing slim actresses, which would certainly be unacceptable - and ridiculous. Actresses of all shapes and sizes are fine by me, although I do think we should see more large ladies playing the plum roles. The pretty-pretty is not representative of all slim actresses, however. She is the kind of actress whose looks do her work for her - literally, she &#039;looks the part&#039;, so she doesn&#039;t have to play it - she is prim, and over-enunciates, and looks soulful a lot. You couldn&#039;t imagine her having a big dirty guffaw on or off stage. That&#039;s my bete noire.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an interesting discussion in the comments for the article, including the author replying to a commenter who brought up the issue of tearing down all thin actresses. She clarifies her idea of what a &#8216;pretty-pretty&#8217; actress is:</p>
<p>&#8220;Argh! That was what I most wanted to avoid. I really am not dissing slim actresses, which would certainly be unacceptable &#8211; and ridiculous. Actresses of all shapes and sizes are fine by me, although I do think we should see more large ladies playing the plum roles. The pretty-pretty is not representative of all slim actresses, however. She is the kind of actress whose looks do her work for her &#8211; literally, she &#8216;looks the part&#8217;, so she doesn&#8217;t have to play it &#8211; she is prim, and over-enunciates, and looks soulful a lot. You couldn&#8217;t imagine her having a big dirty guffaw on or off stage. That&#8217;s my bete noire.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine Shreve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine Shreve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be lovely to see some larger women in movies and television shows who weren&#039;t always relegated to the funny best friend role, or the pining for the hot guy they can&#039;t have role.

Where is it written that larger women can&#039;t be self confident sex goddesses.  Just once I&#039;d like to see a movie or a tv show where the hot guy pines for the larger, sexy woman who won&#039;t give him the time of day.

Does being overweight always have to equal being insecure?

I also agree with the point about not tearing the thin girls down.  The goal it to make size meaningless, not to transfer the prejudice from one group to another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be lovely to see some larger women in movies and television shows who weren&#8217;t always relegated to the funny best friend role, or the pining for the hot guy they can&#8217;t have role.</p>
<p>Where is it written that larger women can&#8217;t be self confident sex goddesses.  Just once I&#8217;d like to see a movie or a tv show where the hot guy pines for the larger, sexy woman who won&#8217;t give him the time of day.</p>
<p>Does being overweight always have to equal being insecure?</p>
<p>I also agree with the point about not tearing the thin girls down.  The goal it to make size meaningless, not to transfer the prejudice from one group to another.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former actress, I have to say that many casting directors toss away a lot of talent because of looks, and prefer to cast better-looking people who often don&#039;t have the same level of talent.  Yes, there are MANY thin, talented people out there, but looks seem to be the number one priority.
It&#039;s hard not to be bitter about it, after you&#039;ve spent so many years learning your craft in school, in tiny, thankless roles, in shows with little or no pay, etc. and basically paying your dues over and over and over, just to watch someone get a role over you because they look better in the costume.  Especially if they&#039;re not that good, lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former actress, I have to say that many casting directors toss away a lot of talent because of looks, and prefer to cast better-looking people who often don&#8217;t have the same level of talent.  Yes, there are MANY thin, talented people out there, but looks seem to be the number one priority.<br />
It&#8217;s hard not to be bitter about it, after you&#8217;ve spent so many years learning your craft in school, in tiny, thankless roles, in shows with little or no pay, etc. and basically paying your dues over and over and over, just to watch someone get a role over you because they look better in the costume.  Especially if they&#8217;re not that good, lol!</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Nadel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam Nadel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, that should have been Roundabout, not Roundhouse.  I, apparently, go to the theatre too much.

To put another twist on it, in Shakespeare&#039;s times, all the roles were played by men / boys.  Can you do that now without it being perceived as a political statement.  I had a personal experience with that once when telling a story at a fat feminist conference.  About a half hour before the show (which was in a Las Vegas nightclub, by the way - something I still capitalize on), I realized that a lot of women in the audience would be lesbians.  I realized that there was no reason whatsoever to specify the gender of the person who fell in love with my main character, so left it unstated.  The straight women didn&#039;t seem to notice, but at least a couple of the lesbians thanked me for not making the assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, that should have been Roundabout, not Roundhouse.  I, apparently, go to the theatre too much.</p>
<p>To put another twist on it, in Shakespeare&#8217;s times, all the roles were played by men / boys.  Can you do that now without it being perceived as a political statement.  I had a personal experience with that once when telling a story at a fat feminist conference.  About a half hour before the show (which was in a Las Vegas nightclub, by the way &#8211; something I still capitalize on), I realized that a lot of women in the audience would be lesbians.  I realized that there was no reason whatsoever to specify the gender of the person who fell in love with my main character, so left it unstated.  The straight women didn&#8217;t seem to notice, but at least a couple of the lesbians thanked me for not making the assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Gwenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Gwenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miriam hits the nail on the head with her comment on &quot;110 in the Shade&quot;.  LyL, if you substitute &quot;black&quot; for &quot;fat&quot; in your questions, it will be immediately obvious that they are questions that don&#039;t matter at all, and that the right actor for the role is the best one you can find; nothing else matters.  A really GOOD actor can make an audience believe anything; that&#039;s why they call it ACTING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miriam hits the nail on the head with her comment on &#8220;110 in the Shade&#8221;.  LyL, if you substitute &#8220;black&#8221; for &#8220;fat&#8221; in your questions, it will be immediately obvious that they are questions that don&#8217;t matter at all, and that the right actor for the role is the best one you can find; nothing else matters.  A really GOOD actor can make an audience believe anything; that&#8217;s why they call it ACTING.</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Nadel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam Nadel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One interesting data point has to do with the play &quot;&#039;Night Mother.&quot;   Some might recall that Kathleen Bates got a lot of attention for that play (and was passed over for a movie version, which is a separate story).  Not a lot of people remember that the playwright had originally conceived the character as an anorexic.   Obviously that turned out not to be essential to the story.

I think the more generic problem is that there are a lot of preconceptions about what a given character should look like that can influence a director to choose a less talented performer.   Audiences can get used to unconventional casting more easily than producers assume they can, however.  I took my mother to see Roundhouse&#039;s production of &quot;110 in the Shade&quot; a couple of years ago, for example, and she never commented on the colorblind casting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One interesting data point has to do with the play &#8220;&#8216;Night Mother.&#8221;   Some might recall that Kathleen Bates got a lot of attention for that play (and was passed over for a movie version, which is a separate story).  Not a lot of people remember that the playwright had originally conceived the character as an anorexic.   Obviously that turned out not to be essential to the story.</p>
<p>I think the more generic problem is that there are a lot of preconceptions about what a given character should look like that can influence a director to choose a less talented performer.   Audiences can get used to unconventional casting more easily than producers assume they can, however.  I took my mother to see Roundhouse&#8217;s production of &#8220;110 in the Shade&#8221; a couple of years ago, for example, and she never commented on the colorblind casting.</p>
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