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		<title>By: MizShrew</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2008/01/23/more-on-the-new-york-times/comment-page-2/#comment-8025</link>
		<dc:creator>MizShrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@skittles: I&#039;m interested in this comment you made: &lt;i&gt;keep in mind the internet crowd is self-selecting and generally healthier.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not disagreeing with it, necessarily, but I wonder where you got this from? I tend to think that the demographics of people on internet forums and blogs would be more correlated to age  (and possibly income) than anything else. I&#039;m just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@skittles: I&#8217;m interested in this comment you made: <i>keep in mind the internet crowd is self-selecting and generally healthier.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not disagreeing with it, necessarily, but I wonder where you got this from? I tend to think that the demographics of people on internet forums and blogs would be more correlated to age  (and possibly income) than anything else. I&#8217;m just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Skittle</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2008/01/23/more-on-the-new-york-times/comment-page-2/#comment-8013</link>
		<dc:creator>Skittle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, it&#039;s not a perfect correlation.  But it&#039;s certainly a solid one.

There seems to be a lot of polarizing and groupthink here.  Ex: Instead of discussing obesity, much time is spent condemning pop culture for glorifying the anorexic physique.  And sure, that&#039;s true and sad.  But that&#039;s not what the detractors are saying.  They&#039;re saying accept yourself, sure, but don&#039;t encourage accepting being an out-of-breath 320lb woman who&#039;s 5&#039;4&quot;.  There is a difference between feeling beautiful and being content with your physique.  Of course American culture has grown to discourage obesity.  On the whole, it&#039;s linked with poor halth and CERTAINLY linked with poor physical fitness.

I would place a very large bet that the vast vast majority of fathers who are 320lbs cannot play a round of soccer with their son.  That&#039;s something to be ancouraged.

So don&#039;t equate my viewpoint with proanorexia.  I am merely stating that as a rule of thumb (with exceptions) obese and morbidly obese Americans do not live healthy lifestyles.  And before you strike back with anecdotal &quot;but I run 80 miles a week!&quot; Comments, keep in mind the internet crowd is self-selecting and generally healthier.  Be willing to admit that as a general proposition, obesity is not a positive state of being.  It&#039;s not evikl, but it&#039;s not usually healthy (defined in ability to run, blood pressure, energy level, propensity for disease, risks, life expectancy, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, it&#8217;s not a perfect correlation.  But it&#8217;s certainly a solid one.</p>
<p>There seems to be a lot of polarizing and groupthink here.  Ex: Instead of discussing obesity, much time is spent condemning pop culture for glorifying the anorexic physique.  And sure, that&#8217;s true and sad.  But that&#8217;s not what the detractors are saying.  They&#8217;re saying accept yourself, sure, but don&#8217;t encourage accepting being an out-of-breath 320lb woman who&#8217;s 5&#8217;4&#8243;.  There is a difference between feeling beautiful and being content with your physique.  Of course American culture has grown to discourage obesity.  On the whole, it&#8217;s linked with poor halth and CERTAINLY linked with poor physical fitness.</p>
<p>I would place a very large bet that the vast vast majority of fathers who are 320lbs cannot play a round of soccer with their son.  That&#8217;s something to be ancouraged.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t equate my viewpoint with proanorexia.  I am merely stating that as a rule of thumb (with exceptions) obese and morbidly obese Americans do not live healthy lifestyles.  And before you strike back with anecdotal &#8220;but I run 80 miles a week!&#8221; Comments, keep in mind the internet crowd is self-selecting and generally healthier.  Be willing to admit that as a general proposition, obesity is not a positive state of being.  It&#8217;s not evikl, but it&#8217;s not usually healthy (defined in ability to run, blood pressure, energy level, propensity for disease, risks, life expectancy, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: ginger</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2008/01/23/more-on-the-new-york-times/comment-page-2/#comment-8024</link>
		<dc:creator>ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Go run some local races, hike in the backcountry/local state park, or go ride your bike.&quot;

I have done all those things in the past year (do not make assumptions about strangers on the web), and I have seen fat people. Do you perhaps have some selective blindness? Maybe it&#039;s that I&#039;m on the West Coast and our fat people go outside more? I don&#039;t know.

&quot;Many people on this blog are in denial and have convinced themselves that they are healthy. It’s amazing how calling them fat triggers some defensive response in them.&quot;

Possibly it&#039;s that you&#039;re conflating fat and unhealthy. It&#039;s certainly the case that as weight goes up, so does the prevalence of certain types of health problems. But it&#039;s an imperfect association, and your self-righteousness isn&#039;t helping anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Go run some local races, hike in the backcountry/local state park, or go ride your bike.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have done all those things in the past year (do not make assumptions about strangers on the web), and I have seen fat people. Do you perhaps have some selective blindness? Maybe it&#8217;s that I&#8217;m on the West Coast and our fat people go outside more? I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>&#8220;Many people on this blog are in denial and have convinced themselves that they are healthy. It’s amazing how calling them fat triggers some defensive response in them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Possibly it&#8217;s that you&#8217;re conflating fat and unhealthy. It&#8217;s certainly the case that as weight goes up, so does the prevalence of certain types of health problems. But it&#8217;s an imperfect association, and your self-righteousness isn&#8217;t helping anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Bree</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2008/01/23/more-on-the-new-york-times/comment-page-2/#comment-8023</link>
		<dc:creator>Bree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skittle, there is more to weight gain then not exercising and stopping at McDonald&#039;s way too much. There&#039;s pregesterone, which caused my size 14/16 mom to go up to an 18/20 and believe me, she does not spend her entire life in the drive-thru. There&#039;s having chronic and pain and disabilities that prevent people from intense exercises. But you and the others who always repeat like a broken record &quot;you fat lazy slob, get off your big butt and get moving and put down the fork&quot; just can&#039;t see past that worn-out stereotype.

BTW, I&#039;m pleased to say that I have never been heckled while out walking. Maybe it&#039;s because I move too fast and my iPod is on too high to hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skittle, there is more to weight gain then not exercising and stopping at McDonald&#8217;s way too much. There&#8217;s pregesterone, which caused my size 14/16 mom to go up to an 18/20 and believe me, she does not spend her entire life in the drive-thru. There&#8217;s having chronic and pain and disabilities that prevent people from intense exercises. But you and the others who always repeat like a broken record &#8220;you fat lazy slob, get off your big butt and get moving and put down the fork&#8221; just can&#8217;t see past that worn-out stereotype.</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m pleased to say that I have never been heckled while out walking. Maybe it&#8217;s because I move too fast and my iPod is on too high to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: Skittle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skittle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohh, I always thought not exercising caused weight gain.  But apparently it&#039;s the hecklers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohh, I always thought not exercising caused weight gain.  But apparently it&#8217;s the hecklers.</p>
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		<title>By: La di Da</title>
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		<dc:creator>La di Da</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon - you say you rarely see &#039;obese&#039; people out cycling, hiking, jogging, etc. It couldn&#039;t possibly be because when they do they&#039;re abused for it, could it? How likely would anyone be to go out exercising in public if nearly every time they did so, assholes hurled insults from cars as they drove by, threw food or garbage at them, and generally tried to humililate and scare them into staying inside? The flip side is people making patronising &quot;Keep it up!&quot; comments.

Damned if you do, damned if you don&#039;t. Apparenltly popular consensus is that fat people should not leave the house until they have done enough Tae-Bo DVDs to be acceptably slim. &lt;i&gt;Then&lt;/i&gt; they can go out and participate in fun outdoor activities, and only then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon &#8211; you say you rarely see &#8216;obese&#8217; people out cycling, hiking, jogging, etc. It couldn&#8217;t possibly be because when they do they&#8217;re abused for it, could it? How likely would anyone be to go out exercising in public if nearly every time they did so, assholes hurled insults from cars as they drove by, threw food or garbage at them, and generally tried to humililate and scare them into staying inside? The flip side is people making patronising &#8220;Keep it up!&#8221; comments.</p>
<p>Damned if you do, damned if you don&#8217;t. Apparenltly popular consensus is that fat people should not leave the house until they have done enough Tae-Bo DVDs to be acceptably slim. <i>Then</i> they can go out and participate in fun outdoor activities, and only then.</p>
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		<title>By: fatfighter</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatfighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw sorry :( Just I thought telling him to go away and do something else wasn&#039;t really...I don&#039;t know...MEAN, but maybe it&#039;s the way I said it. Sorry Mo :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw sorry :( Just I thought telling him to go away and do something else wasn&#8217;t really&#8230;I don&#8217;t know&#8230;MEAN, but maybe it&#8217;s the way I said it. Sorry Mo :(</p>
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		<title>By: mo pie</title>
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		<dc:creator>mo pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fatfighter, you know most of your comments have gone through uncensored, despite the infighting it causes, because I think at times you&#039;ve made some substantive and valid points. But the comment I deleted was unproductive and inaccurate.  I have a post coming that will address and respond to some of Jon&#039;s points, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fatfighter, you know most of your comments have gone through uncensored, despite the infighting it causes, because I think at times you&#8217;ve made some substantive and valid points. But the comment I deleted was unproductive and inaccurate.  I have a post coming that will address and respond to some of Jon&#8217;s points, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: fatfighter</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatfighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol@censorship</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol@censorship</p>
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		<title>By: Bree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, please don&#039;t feel sorry for us fatties. And telling big people to go ride a bike or take a hike is yet another tiresome, stereotypical comment from those who automatically assume fat people get no exercise and sit around all day eating junk food.

If you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for yourself and others like you who refuse to see overweight and obese people as PEOPLE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, please don&#8217;t feel sorry for us fatties. And telling big people to go ride a bike or take a hike is yet another tiresome, stereotypical comment from those who automatically assume fat people get no exercise and sit around all day eating junk food.</p>
<p>If you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for yourself and others like you who refuse to see overweight and obese people as PEOPLE.</p>
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