More On The New York Times
Okay, let’s talk about the New York Times piece. I wasn’t interviewed for the article, although I was told there might be a mention, and so I didn’t expect this blog to be featured so prominently, which was a delightful surprise when I saw the masthead in this morning’s paper. On the whole, I thought the article was a pretty fair representation of the world of fat blogging.
The bloggers’ main contention is that being fat is not a result of moral failure or a character flaw, or of gluttony, sloth or a lack of willpower. Diets often boomerang, they say; indeed, numerous long-term studies have found that even though dieters are often able to lose weight in the short term, they almost always regain the lost pounds over the next few years… “I’m not surprised there are so many of these blogs now,” Ms. [Rachel] Richardson said. “Anti-obesity hysteria has reached a boiling point. Blogging is a way for people to fight back.”
Here are some responses from the other featured blogs.
Rachel at The-F-Word:
The term fat acceptance is somewhat of a misnomer and many folks, such as I, describe themselves as body acceptance activists. Most fat acceptance sites, like mine, are staunchly anti-diet and many express grave concerns about the rising popularity of weight loss surgery, but we are not anti-thin nor do we dismiss the body insecurities people of all sizes are made to feel they have.
The New York Times article accurately summed up much of what people in the fat acceptance movement believe and promote. Sadly, the story did leave out one crucial and foundational part of the movement: The crux of fat acceptance is in fighting the stigmatization and social, political and economic marginalization distinctly and acutely experienced by fat people.
Red No. 3, with an interesting roundup of reactions to the article:
One diet blog is dismayed at the article. It takes what I think is meant to be the “moderate” total condemnation of fat acceptance by insisting that self-esteem is something they do believe in. We just shouldn’t have it. Fat acceptance is, instead, an act of “fear, loathing, and sacrifice”…
Did you know fat people like to eat? Some folks on the internet seem to. We seem to be second only to cats in our desire for cheeseburgers. But, I forget that this kind of taunting is accepted as reasonable discourse on the fatosphere, so I guess no reason to bring it up.
I had to roll my eyes at some of the comments on this blog (some of which I deleted). So many of them made comments that can be summed up as “put down the ice cream, you disgusting whore.” Do these people not have reading comprehension skills? I mean, seriously, the other post I wrote yesterday was about something that happened to me while I was at the gym. Do these people not realize that their assumptions about fat people are—well, obviously. I guess I just don’t understand, and will never understand, why people are so offended by fat that they feel the need to come here and declare their hate and vitriol. I guess there’s also racism and homophobia and sexism so… yeah, not a shock, I guess.
Anyway, moving on, The Rotund:
We need a Body Acceptance movement and a Fat Acceptance movement because total strangers feel it is their right to inform us, with as much vitriol as possible, that we’re going to die. We need a Body Acceptance movement and a Fat Acceptance movement because a lot of people, when they hear from these trolls online or in real life (because this sort of thing isn’t limited to online anonymity), believe the hate. We need a Body Acceptance movement and a Fat Acceptance movement because hating ourselves is a form of self-injury that doesn’t do anyone any good.
Kate (who was almost on the Today Show, way to go, Kate):
What we promote here is actually called Health at Every Size, not “health at any size,” if you were thinking of Googling for more information. Here’s my favorite article on it.
Please check out Big Fat Blog, which has been around since 2000 and without which none of the blogs featured in the article would be here.
(I also have to add that Big Fat Deal would not be here without Poundy, so… just gotta share the love in that direction, too.) I love that we’ve made a splash in the world; as a group, as a “fatosphere” (sorry) we’ve achieved some kind of critical mass. I hope the response goes beyond the haters. I hope people will think about how we can teach people—especially girls, who I think are most damaged this kind of thinking—to start off by loving themselves. It is the first step to being a healthy person. I’m not anti-thin, and unlike many other bloggers in this group, I’m not even anti-diet. I am anti-self-loathing, big time. And no commenter calling me a fat whore is going to make me feel one iota less good about myself and about this blog. I’m glad to be here. I hope you are too.
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A lot of these places miss the point.
The worst thing about fat discrimination, insults, etc. is that it does nothing to encourage the person, if their weight is causing burdens, to take care of themselves.
It is a measure to keep people in their place. I always thought the point of these blogs was to encourage self-confidence. Because without self-confidence, you’re not going to make the effort to take care of yourself.
Example: Remember when Fat Girl On A Bike went private? I always thought that was the kind of thing we were trying to fight. I’m so glad she decided to go back out in public. People like her are inspiring and who are needed in the blogosphere.
Just a shout-out for this, which made me laugh:
“We seem to be second only to cats in our desire for cheeseburgers”
“I am anti-self-loathing, big time.”
I really hated myself for a long time because I was not stick thin, but then I realized not everyone was happy at any size, especially the teeny tiny thin girls. I’ve been anorexic, name all the ‘diets’ and I’ve been there, but all the smaller I ever got was a small size 10. I can’t believe that, at that weight and size, I was still was not happy with myself, even after losing 100 some lbs. Self-loathing is a huge issue among young girls, no matter what size, from the time their infants they’re told they’re all wrong, whether the issue is about weight or sex or whatever. I love this blog and I hope it is successful in all it does. Never change just because society wants you to!
It doesn’t matter what actual individuals do in the mind of these bigots (and no other words describes fat haters more accurately, to my mind.)
They don’t see “fat people” as individual people. It is simply an undesirable, end-point destination that one arrives at when you have failed in life. Worth is created by staying as far away from this mythical other place as possible.
Individual fat people aren’t actually the ridiculous, stupid stereotype that they NEED in their life in order to motivate their severely hateful thinking, both toward themselves and others. It wouldn’t matter if you posted over and over the exact way you behave as a fat individual, mo pie, the mythos in their head won’t be so easily dispersed. It would require them to look too deeply at their own self and needs and hopes and desires and see how unhappy with themselves they really.
Because I can’t see anyone really being this concerned for others if they weren’t constantly judging and evaluating themselves.
Oh, thank you so much, Mo. I know I don’t write about body stuff as much as I used to, but folks like you and Kate are taking it to the next level, and I’m so glad that people are listening.
I know I don’t write about body stuff as much as I used to,
You can write about whatever you want, and I know I’ll keep reading, Wendy. :)
And Mo, rock on with ignoring the haters.
I would think a NYT reader would also be not only more erudite, but be a better speller – it’s “lose,” not “loose”! Sheesh!
fat peoples’ attempts to disclaim all control and responsibility for being fat are utterly ridiculous and false. they amount to another manifestation of their laziness, which is why they are fat in the first place. fat people are weak individuals with insufficient self control. there are hardly any fat people in africa and other third world countries; while genes may predispose someone to gaining weight more easily, using that as a platform on which to preach fat acceptance amounts to asking the public to condone laziness. it makes me sick.
Lots of folks are never so enraged as they are when someone confronts them and tells them flat out:
” Your opinion does not matter to me.”
This is particularly true, I believe, of those folks who love to get all opinionated on the internet.
Also, Jose is a douche. But that’s just my opinion. And I’m sure it doesn’t matter to him.
Jose is a huge douche who needs remedial English classes.
“I am anti-self-loathing, big time.”
Rock on Mo.
I wouldn’t have started my blog if it weren’t for this blog, and Paul, Poundy, pastaqueen and so many others who got me started thinking about my body as actually being an integral part of my life rather than some separate object than only caused me pain. Those blogs and others helped me get past a life of self-loathing and begin a life of celebration.
I expected some kind of backlash to the Times article but honestly — the same rock throwing and taunting from the playgrounds of my childhood? It just makes me sad.
I feel fortunate knowing that we have each other and I turn to every blog in the Fatosphere for support, encouragement and laughter.
I really love you guys. (sniff)
The problem for a lot of people is that there is far more obesity glorification going on as opposed to BODY acceptance. So far on this website I’ve seen people rail about a clearly overweight woman wanting to lose weight, dismissing her method or reason for doing so because they will lose a fat icon; people becoming quite hostile to those who inform them of medical problems and comfort issues that arise from obesity; and flat out attacking people for commenting that maybe society and an overwhelming majority of the medical profession agree that being overweight is undesirable. This is not, in my opinion, exactly showing tolerance and acceptance of everyone and their opinions (unless of course it’s about proclaiming how great it is to be overweight).
THAT is what so many of these trolls and “haters” observe – fat people who loudly proclaim how totally stoked they are to be fat shouting down anyone who disagrees. It’s the prime example of the “loud fat person” we all know. Usually, the ones shouting loudest are the ones that answer they’d rather be blind than fat, but will never, EVER put down their Hot Pocket and make it happen.
Whatever. I forgot my opinion doesn’t matter.
I love how someone who can’t even be bothered to capitalize is calling fat people lazy.
Seriously, though, I think we should totally study the personalities of people in Africa and Third World countries to find out why THEY don’t have the weak-willed character flaws that make fat people so damn fatty fat.
Oh yeah, that Jose is onto something.
Wendy, just be glad h3 d1nt typ3 l1ke th1s l0lz.
A lot of people on the internet now don’t bother to capitalize or punctuate, or they talk in lolcat language. It gets old after a while.
wendy, you missed my point. i cited africa and third world counties to show that the argument that genetics inhibit fat people from being fit is complete bs.
the bottom line is, for fat people, it comes down to a simple cost-benefit analysis. losing weight hurts, especially when you are in really bad shape. eating is painless. it takes a stronger will to overcome the cost associated with comfortably eating vs. working out.
ordinarily, i do not care how other people live. but this issue particularly infuriates me because i have to subsidize fat peoples’ health care costs when they need their high blood pressure medication, heart surgery, etc. if risk pools were segregated so that i was in an insurance pool composed entirely of other fit individuals, i would still be grossed out by fat people, but i wouldn’t be so disguisted by “fat pride.” the same applies to smokers.
I’m not stoked about being fat, I’m just tired of people telling me that I’m weak-willed and lack self-discipline.
I think what Jose is trying to say is that people in Africa are thin because they don’t eat twice their body weight in food everyday, not because they are genetically blessed.
Shocking concept, I know. Someone toss Jose a Nobel.
I just have no idea what fatfighter is talking about. I read this blog regularly and I never see comments like the ones ff is mentioning. No one gets shouted down and certainly no one is told that they should not be fit and active because we don’t want to lose a fat icon. (I really wonder who that is? I mean is it me? Am I a fat icon and I just didn’t know it? I am so excited!) And I certainly never see any comments that proclaim pro-obesity. How very strange.
Oh wait I get it — fat fighter! The name is a character. This must be an improvisational avant garde theatrical exercise! Wow you did an amazing job with that. I was almost convinced that you were a real person who is so blinded by fear and hatred of a specific body type that you are unable to relate to said body type in a polite and non-hostile manner.
It’s the prime example of the “loud fat-hating person” we all know.
Thank you for being such a wonderful example. I am sure we all learned a lot from that. Will you be performing your fat hate rant in person in an off off Broadway theater? No, I suppose you prefer leaving anonymous posts on blogs.
Fatfighter, you’re not getting it. Nobody on this blog, or any of those mentioned in the article, indulges in what you’ve so charmingly called “obesity glorification.” What we’re saying is that everyone’s body is her or his own affair, in whatever size it is. We’re not against taking care of our bodies — as Mo has pointed out, many posts on these blogs are about exercise, eating well, and other forms of self-loving.
But you, and others like you, need to understand that I and many, many of my fat sisters (because, yes, there are lots of chicks in the Fatosphere) can be in excellent health — at 45, I have nothing more seriously wrong with me than asthma.
You also need to understand that even though I eat well (nary a Hot Pocket in sight) and exercise regularly (let me know if you’d like to join me on my next 20 mile bike ride), I am never going to be a thin person. That’s OK with me. And that’s my right.
*yawn*
Oh look! Your rancid sarcasm is all in love, I’m sure. You’re using your viper wit to show me how accepted I am! I get it! I particularly like the tired old “lol you leave anon comments on blogs” remark. Way to not assume anything! I know you aren’t because you hate it when people assume things about fat people – you would never stoop to using sniping assumptions to someone you don’t know.
I am so over you people.
“Fat acceptance” can go one of two ways. In the sense that I understand you don’t care about your physical wellbeing, that’s fine. I accept that you are willing to be unhealthy. But as far as it being encouraged, I must dissent. The average weight of an American woman has steadily increased to the point where the average American woman weighs over 145lbs. As any doctor will tell you, carrying a lot of extra weight is unhealthy. It’s your choice to smoke, to eat trans fats, to curse, to listen to music at obscene volume, to do anything that has been proven to be unhealthy. But don’t expect sympathy or empathy or support. You’ll notice there aren’t many “pro-smoking” groups, notwithstanding the similarities. I think “fat acceptance” is a promotion of an unhealthy behavioral trait that should not be imbued into our children. It’s okay to be slightly overweight, but to promote a lack of exercise or gluttony (“Order the cheesecake!!”) is silly, harmful, and counterproductive.
I think the sentiment that powers this “fat fad” is the same that makes young girls wear “I’m a bitch and I’m proud!” paraphernalia.
“I am so over you people.”
And yet, you’re still here, commenting.
Um, Fatfighter. It’s “rapier wit.” If you’re going to use a cliche, please use the correct one.
Or, alternately, go fuck yourself. Elsewhere.
Actually, that was intended to be my last comment.
Instead, this is.
Good-bye, all. Enjoy being snarky to people whose opinions differ than yours. Way to advance acceptance.
I agree that Jose is a huge douche.
By the way, does anyone know if there are any foods I can eat that will make me sweat less?
fatfighter–Are you saying your Hot Pockets comment was not a sniping assumption?
And Jose’s point that there are no fat people outside the industrialized world is 1) false 2) counterproductive. If the whole point is that fat is OMG UNHEALTHY, then why do we fatties have a much greater life expectancy than people in the places he mentions? So the point is that people who experience food scarcity and/or diseases causing wasting are thin? Fantastic!
And if you’re going to flounce around with “Whatever I forgot my opinion doesn’t matter” and “I am so over these people” it is much more effective if you actually LEAVE.
This thread is psychologically revealing. Instead of responding to substantive issues, such as those Jose raised, people are resorting to petty name calling and complaining about punctuation. In a nutshell, this thread explains why so many of you are fat. Instead of facing the difficult issues, you are dodging them, just like you dodge exercise and eating well. The concept of personal responsibility is lost to most people on this board.
Pray tell, Gilbert, what substantive issues did Jose raise? He makes the claim that people in third world countries and Africa are more fit than us. His basis? We are fat, they are not. Curious. I’m fairly happy with my 80-year life expectancy, as opposed to approximately 39-years that I might expect in Ghana. Again–people experiencing food scarcity will be thin. That does not mean that they are fit.
Number two, you and Jose that we all sit around eating rather than facing facts and getting on a treadmill. I happen to run 20+ miles per week, bike up to 100 and lift weights 2-3 hours per week. Still fat! And I’ve never touched a Hot Pocket in my life (I’ve been a vegetarian for over 15 years).
Now–who is resorting to name calling? Jose has called us weak-willed, fatfighter claims we are all clinging to our Hot Pockets for dear life, and you claim I dodge exercise and eating well. How the hell do YOU know? Here is what you are dodging. You don’t know us, our health status, or our lifestyle choices and you choose to judge us for our bodies based on your own prejudices.
Gilbert, if you’ll scroll up a bit and read my first comment, you’ll see that I, and many of the people on this blog, eat well and exercise.
Not only that, we’ve got IQ’s in the three digits, and are able to comprehend sentences with more than one clause in them.
What we don’t do is allow mindless (unpunctuated, uncapitalized) brain vomit from trolls to go unchallenged. And believe me, there’s nothing petty about my consigning you to the dung-heap of douchehound status, with your fellows. I do it with a great deal of relish (pickalilly, please).
I agree with Jose. If genetics were the explanation, there wouldn’t be far more obese people in America than other countries. Do Americans have a particular gene that makes them fat? I don’t think so. The environment is the main cause; abundant cheap food and a culture of consumption.
Taunting and name-calling doesn’t help anyone, it only makes things worse. But I don’t find it particularly admirable to be “proud” of being fat, either. Lose weight and get fit, and then be proud. You’ll feel better and look better, and the world will treat you better because of it. It’s not fair, but there it is.
Gilbert, you’ve willfully neglected to notice that I’m trying to point out the problems in Jose’s argument–which is that it makes no sense to say that fat is a personality flaw at the same time you’re saying that people in less industrialized countries are fat. He’s also under the mistaken impression that the whole fat acceptance movement is predicated on the fat-is-genetic theory, which it is not.
Read these comments again, Gilbert. You’ll see that there are people here who eat right and exercise and who believe that the whole country could stand to be eating better, because bad nutrition DOES cause health problems, even in people who aren’t fat. We’re just tired of fat being scapegoated for a complicated array of problems that have a number of causes.
Oops, I meant: “it makes no sense to say that fat is a personality flaw at the same time you’re saying that people in less industrialized countries are NOT fat.” Carry on.
Why are we STILL using the word “overweight”? This word should only be applied to one’s own size IF a person believes that he/she weighs more than is desireable. The response that was popular during the early days of the late, great BBW Magazine was “over WHOSE weight?” It isn’t up to anyone else to determine to what degree I am fat; that’s my decision, as is the choice to hold or fold.
The responses generated by the NYT piece are astonishing; truly, we are becoming a land of illiterate yahoos, as well as nasty bigots! Try saying that stuff about “lazy fat people” but substiting the word “black” or “Native American” or “Baptist” for fat and see what happens…
If Jose’s still hanging around, I’d like to point out that it’s not true that “there are hardly any fat people in africa and other third world countries” (since now Africa is a country apparently). Most of Africa is not full of starving refugees whatever it might seem like in the media and I’m sick of people using that ridiculous statement to defend their self-righteous judgement of other people. Africans come in just as wide a range of sizes as Westerners and there are plenty of fat people.
I thought this post was about an article about a good and balanced article (for once) on the fatosphere, not tedious haters.
Congratulations on getting a mention Mo.
A serious question to posters who are disturbed by this blog and its readers:
Define “health.”
Modern lexicographers have three definitions of the word that are related to two ideas – being free of physical disease/thriving or a state of being (the health of a nation).
I’m fat. I have low blood pressure, low cholesterol and do not suffer from any chronic conditions or diseases. I take no prescription medications. I run, lift weights and enjoy a healthful diet.
What makes me unhealthy?
As expected, what was once a good site becomes plagued by trolls.
Just bad luck, DivaJean–I haven’t had access to a computer today, as it is the first day of the semester and I spent the morning teaching. Normally I would be deleting obvious trolling comments.
Good point DivaJean and wriggles. The article was a big victory. As was the line in this post about cheeseburgers. Maybe we could make troll cheeseburgers!
My remark regarding Jose was not aimed at the points he was trying to make, although I do take exception to them. No, my issue is with someone who expects his points to be accepted when he calls his readers false, ridiculous, lazy, and weak, and says their logic sickens him.
Yeah, he’s a real silver-tongued devil.
I am a size 4, so you would not think I am a candidate for reading and enjoying and learning from the fatosphere. But let me tell you something… I see this as body acceptance at any size as well as health at any size. The American culture is heavily bullshitty. And the true message of our culture, imho, is that we are all, at everysize, not good enough, accomplished enough, young enough, or pretty enough. Jesus, why is it that women (and now many men) feel compelled to spend tens of thousands of dollars on plastic boobs, chin implants, lip fillers, botox, lipo, vaginal rejuvantion, and even toe surgery to fit better into 8 million dollar Manolo Blaniks?!? I am considered, by my outside appearance, to be fit etc etc, but inside I struggle and have struggled my entire life with the very same issues discussed on these blogs. And for the first time, I feel understood and also get the chance to further understand. And I wish to thank all of you for giving me this gift of empathy and empowerment. -Debbie B
I’m going to sidestep most of the debate above, but I do wish to say that this blog has also touched on issues of more general size acceptance such as height issues and the issues that the overly thin face, particularly discriminatory medical professionals.
I also want to say, on a more personal level, that I would not have gotten to a weight that was healthy given my height and genes if it weren’t for size acceptance. When I was heavilly engaged in self-hate and fully believing the anti-fat messages the only thing I could do to cope was binge eat. After I put a lot of effort into accepting myself as I am, I found it easier to work on coping with my emotions in a healthier way, and finding other coping strategies meant a dramatic drop in binge eating, and soon I found it much easier to maintain a healthy weight. HATE HELPS NO ONE! Love and acceptance helps many people, whether it helps you to change your size or live healthier at your current size, I don’t care. Love yourself and take care of you’re body and you’re lightyears ahead of anyone of any size who focuses on the hatred.
Look, Jose and Fatfighter, as mouse said, you guys are just wrong about this “people aren’t fat in the third world” argument. In fact, the reason the rate of overweight and obese (understanding these are loaded words) people in Africa and other Third World countries is lower than in the US and Europe is because those countries are not as wealthy. However, as those countries get more wealthy, the same problems with weight arise. See, for example, the links below or simply google “third world growing obesity” :
http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/sep01/brantley100101.htm
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/21/news/letter.php
http://www.diabetesvoice.org/issues/2007-05/Young_people_with_diabetes_and_obesity_in_Asia_a_growing_epidemic.pdf
I understand that it is fun to hurl insults at people that you have decided are lazy or have no willpower. This is not going to help anyone’s health. Obviously something more than just “fat people are just a bunch of lazy a-holes” is going on when more than two thirds of the population of this country are considered overweight or obese. When people turn this into a moral issue, it doesn’t help anyone.
*yawn*
Right back atcha, trolls.
What confuses me is the idea of this website. Mo called it a gateway to fat acceptance yet one of the contributers had gastric bypass and mo has a blog and has had for a few years dedicated to her attempts to lose weight?
I think body acceptance is great, but if you accept your body, doesn’t that mean you are not trying to change it? And if fat is not unhealthy, why the surgery and the diet struggles?
Perhaps a clearer message would help the haters- and help us that come here and don’t comment because we are not sure what will be considered appropriate or not.
I mostly love the posts and agree with a fair amount of them- but I have read some of fatfighters comments and thought she(he?) had some good points as well. And a fair amount of people seem to be really inspired by a few famous bloggers who wrote books that chronicle their weight loss- so I guess I am confused by the gateway to FA remarks.
Seriously not a troll or trying to be rude or insensitive- just really curious and confused.
I don’t know that responding to trolls is productive, but I don’t know that deleting their comments is either. Like it or not, there IS a battle being waged…the battle for acceptance of all people, regardless of their shape or size or color or gender. It’s pretty easy, when you are a frequent reader/writer/commenter in this community, to think that you’re in a happy place where everyone is going to agree with you.
In reality, they’re not.
This is a public forum….our equivalent of a meeting of the Suffragettes or the NAACP. If you compare the FA movement to, say, the civil rights movement, or the women’s rights movement – the trolls are the ones vetoing the ERA and telling women that their place is in the kitchen, bitch, and get me a beer while you’re up. The trolls are the ones in white robes burning crosses. The trolls are the ones who think we should all sit at the back of the fucking bus.
They are the ones, in other words, who can’t stand the idea that MAYBE they don’t have power and MAYBE they have little to feel superior about. They are also the ones who are used to people not fighting back.
I think that’s why we’re all really here.
To fight back.
I rarely delete comments, but I will delete ones that seem obviously inflammatory and trollish, as opposed to people who are merely disagreeing.
Frank Reich: I’m not disputing that “The average weight of an American woman has steadily increased to the point where the average American woman weighs over 145lbs.” but I’d like to add that she has also become taller. You’re using only one part of the change in the “Average American Woman” to suggest that 145 lbs is fat, which isn’t the case if that woman is, 5’6″ or taller — which quite common now compared to even 20 years ago. In fact, the BMI chart I just consulted indicates that a 5″6″ person weighing 148 is within a healthy BMI range. Even if you choose to assume that the high end of the “normal” BMI range is for men, 145 is still not considered fat, or even unhealthy by the current healthcare establishment.
I’m not saying that Americans haven’t become fatter, or even that being fat doesn’t present some health concerns, just that you’ve decided on a weight parameter that reflects a personal judgement rather than a fact.
And, as others have pointed out, there are plenty of people who are fat as well as active and healthy — just as there are plenty of thin people who are sedentary and unhealthy. Focusing only on weight as the *only* indicator of health doesn’t help anyone.
Cathy,
My understanding of this blog is that it’s a community for people in all phases of body acceptance. People who avail themselves of weight loss surgery are on that spectrum.
Frank Reich also bemoaned “cursing.” I’m pretty sure he’s something like an 80-year-old MD who is sad that a lot of the ladies he has to look at in the course of a workday aren’t skinny, demure, and pure of thought and tongue as they are in his dreams. They just don’t make women like they used to–complacent, modest, and all sexually attractive to Frank. Because that is the function of women–to be pleasing to Frank’s eye. Poor sad Frank.
Dude, trolls, nobody here is saying that you shouldn’t be healthy. In fact pretty much everyone here is in favor of healthy eating and exercise as far as I know. These things don’t necessarily make fat people thin, though.