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		<title>By: Amelia</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2007/10/08/poor-unfortunate-souls/comment-page-1/#comment-5910</link>
		<dc:creator>Amelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think the awesomest thing about Ursula is that her body is a giant vagina/womb form. Most of the Disney villainesses are, at best, hoydenish (the queen from Snow White could be Katherine Hepburn) and, at worst, totally angular and mannish (Cruela DeVil). Ursula makes flesh the real and frightening power of womanhood in all its curvaceous and liquid grandeur.

It&#039;s worth noting that the model for the original was a drag queen. American audiences are not ready for that much woman unless they can be reassured that she&#039;s a fake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think the awesomest thing about Ursula is that her body is a giant vagina/womb form. Most of the Disney villainesses are, at best, hoydenish (the queen from Snow White could be Katherine Hepburn) and, at worst, totally angular and mannish (Cruela DeVil). Ursula makes flesh the real and frightening power of womanhood in all its curvaceous and liquid grandeur.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that the model for the original was a drag queen. American audiences are not ready for that much woman unless they can be reassured that she&#8217;s a fake.</p>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ursula is freaking awesome my favorite character of all time from any disney movie and i love that she is overweight bc its about time they represent us chicas who arent size 0. I love Ursula!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ursula is freaking awesome my favorite character of all time from any disney movie and i love that she is overweight bc its about time they represent us chicas who arent size 0. I love Ursula!</p>
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		<title>By: Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That story, and that movie...I have SUCH problems with nearly everything concerned with them.  I mean, I love the Andersen story, because it says that the virtue of love is not in the happy ending--love makes you walk over razors, love cuts out your tongue, which is not a bad rendition of what it does to us, especially as young women--but because love gives you a soul.  In the original, the mermaid does not get the prince, who is, probably, not really worth getting, compared to her.  She &lt;i&gt;dies&lt;/i&gt;, and will spend the next millenia, in Christian Andersen&#039;s mostly Christian cosmos, earning the soul which was what she wanted most from humanity.  She wasn&#039;t just a woman mutilating herself for a man she barely knew; she was a fish yearning to be a human being.  And without love, she&#039;d never have it; love hurt her and destroyed her, but it made her human.

What I love about the story, and will never forgive the movie for bowdlerizing:  the sad ending, so much more true to most loves than the happy one.  The lack of malice on the part of the sea witch (who, in the story, is just an entrepreneur, who has to get paid before she delivers--she doesn&#039;t hate the mermaid or even want what she&#039;s getting).  The stuff about the soul, which is terribly poignant.  The way that, barring that stupid prince, it&#039;s a story about WOMEN:  the mermaid, the sisters who cut their hair for her, the grandmother who tells her (as so many of our mothers told us) that we must suffer to be beautiful, foreshadowing that ending in which we must suffer to build our souls.  The way the mermaid won&#039;t kill the prince when she gets the chance to save herself by doing so.

Things I don&#039;t love about the story:  that it&#039;s a woman who&#039;s made human through love (men, it seems, are already human, even though they&#039;re far less tender or spiritual.)  That her pagan, semi-eternal sea life is subsumed in what becomes, ultimately, a very Christian fable.  That her fish half has to be destroyed for her human half to live.  Those are some big flaws...but the movie was a thousand times worse, even allowing that Ursula could sing.  There, it IS all about the love of a man. There, love DOESN&#039;T silence her or make her bleed--it&#039;s all the work of the obligatory villain...ess.  Because in this story, women hate and hurt each other for love of men.  In this story, there are no sisters or grandmothers--just a surrogate mother who&#039;s trying to take Ariel&#039;s man and a father who will make everything all right as soon as he understands that this is what his little girl (who&#039;s nonetheless stacked like a Vegas card deck) really wants.  No amount of powerful, fat sea witches could redeem those losses for me.

If we want a powerful fat character, how about one--ONE!--Disney mother who&#039;s actually there, who actually supports her daughter rather than trying to destroy her, who puts that great voice and those spiffy tentacles into showing her that the animal self is worth having too, that it&#039;s part of us just like the soul, that a prince who can be fooled by a voice alone isn&#039;t long-term material?  When are we going to get THAT sea witch?

Until we do, it&#039;s hard to get too excited about who plays Bad Mommy for the fifty thousandth time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That story, and that movie&#8230;I have SUCH problems with nearly everything concerned with them.  I mean, I love the Andersen story, because it says that the virtue of love is not in the happy ending&#8211;love makes you walk over razors, love cuts out your tongue, which is not a bad rendition of what it does to us, especially as young women&#8211;but because love gives you a soul.  In the original, the mermaid does not get the prince, who is, probably, not really worth getting, compared to her.  She <i>dies</i>, and will spend the next millenia, in Christian Andersen&#8217;s mostly Christian cosmos, earning the soul which was what she wanted most from humanity.  She wasn&#8217;t just a woman mutilating herself for a man she barely knew; she was a fish yearning to be a human being.  And without love, she&#8217;d never have it; love hurt her and destroyed her, but it made her human.</p>
<p>What I love about the story, and will never forgive the movie for bowdlerizing:  the sad ending, so much more true to most loves than the happy one.  The lack of malice on the part of the sea witch (who, in the story, is just an entrepreneur, who has to get paid before she delivers&#8211;she doesn&#8217;t hate the mermaid or even want what she&#8217;s getting).  The stuff about the soul, which is terribly poignant.  The way that, barring that stupid prince, it&#8217;s a story about WOMEN:  the mermaid, the sisters who cut their hair for her, the grandmother who tells her (as so many of our mothers told us) that we must suffer to be beautiful, foreshadowing that ending in which we must suffer to build our souls.  The way the mermaid won&#8217;t kill the prince when she gets the chance to save herself by doing so.</p>
<p>Things I don&#8217;t love about the story:  that it&#8217;s a woman who&#8217;s made human through love (men, it seems, are already human, even though they&#8217;re far less tender or spiritual.)  That her pagan, semi-eternal sea life is subsumed in what becomes, ultimately, a very Christian fable.  That her fish half has to be destroyed for her human half to live.  Those are some big flaws&#8230;but the movie was a thousand times worse, even allowing that Ursula could sing.  There, it IS all about the love of a man. There, love DOESN&#8217;T silence her or make her bleed&#8211;it&#8217;s all the work of the obligatory villain&#8230;ess.  Because in this story, women hate and hurt each other for love of men.  In this story, there are no sisters or grandmothers&#8211;just a surrogate mother who&#8217;s trying to take Ariel&#8217;s man and a father who will make everything all right as soon as he understands that this is what his little girl (who&#8217;s nonetheless stacked like a Vegas card deck) really wants.  No amount of powerful, fat sea witches could redeem those losses for me.</p>
<p>If we want a powerful fat character, how about one&#8211;ONE!&#8211;Disney mother who&#8217;s actually there, who actually supports her daughter rather than trying to destroy her, who puts that great voice and those spiffy tentacles into showing her that the animal self is worth having too, that it&#8217;s part of us just like the soul, that a prince who can be fooled by a voice alone isn&#8217;t long-term material?  When are we going to get THAT sea witch?</p>
<p>Until we do, it&#8217;s hard to get too excited about who plays Bad Mommy for the fifty thousandth time.</p>
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		<title>By: divaboots</title>
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		<dc:creator>divaboots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, here&#039;s what I don&#039;t get about the &quot;Yeah, but Ursula gets all skinny to seduce the prince&quot; argument. Doesn&#039;t Ursula have Ariel&#039;s voice in a bottle and *that&#039;s* what seduces the prince? And in that case, does it matter what she looks like?

(I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m debating plot points in The Little Mermaid...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, here&#8217;s what I don&#8217;t get about the &#8220;Yeah, but Ursula gets all skinny to seduce the prince&#8221; argument. Doesn&#8217;t Ursula have Ariel&#8217;s voice in a bottle and *that&#8217;s* what seduces the prince? And in that case, does it matter what she looks like?</p>
<p>(I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m debating plot points in The Little Mermaid&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is the skinny actress was hired so that when she takes the octopus suit off to play Ursula disguised as the sexy girl who tries to seduce the prince away from Ariel, it will be convincing. Because we all know a genuinely fat woman can&#039;t be sexy! *eyeroll*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is the skinny actress was hired so that when she takes the octopus suit off to play Ursula disguised as the sexy girl who tries to seduce the prince away from Ariel, it will be convincing. Because we all know a genuinely fat woman can&#8217;t be sexy! *eyeroll*</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought a &quot;bum wrap&quot; is one of those &quot;treatments&quot; those places&#039;ll try and sell you for weight loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought a &#8220;bum wrap&#8221; is one of those &#8220;treatments&#8221; those places&#8217;ll try and sell you for weight loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People made fun of me when I complained that they hired Banderas to lpay Pancho Villa, I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People made fun of me when I complained that they hired Banderas to lpay Pancho Villa, I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And people made fun of me when they hired Antonio Banderas to play Pancho Villa. Banderas is SPANISH. What, they couldn&#039;t have hired a Mexican actor to play a Mexican role? Jacob Vargas couldn&#039;t have played that part? I know, I know. It&#039;s really about bank-ability. You try to hire people who will bring in the dollars.

If someone can sing a role -- if he or she can carry out the functions of a role well -- weight doesn&#039;t matter to me. Authenticity counts for something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And people made fun of me when they hired Antonio Banderas to play Pancho Villa. Banderas is SPANISH. What, they couldn&#8217;t have hired a Mexican actor to play a Mexican role? Jacob Vargas couldn&#8217;t have played that part? I know, I know. It&#8217;s really about bank-ability. You try to hire people who will bring in the dollars.</p>
<p>If someone can sing a role &#8212; if he or she can carry out the functions of a role well &#8212; weight doesn&#8217;t matter to me. Authenticity counts for something.</p>
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		<title>By: Weetabix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weetabix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justmythought, I never gave the other actor &quot;a bad wrap&quot; because she was thin. I said that it was unfair that they fired an extremely talented and seasoned Broadway actor for being fat (per the link in the post). Do I believe that it went down that way? Yes. Whether it&#039;s fair or not is your call. I have a suspicion that they wanted a thinner person because when Ursula then takes Ariel&#039;s voice and  charms Eric away, she makes herself younger and thinner. They probably didn&#039;t think Emily looked realistic in the non-Octopus half of the show but I can only guess at their reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justmythought, I never gave the other actor &#8220;a bad wrap&#8221; because she was thin. I said that it was unfair that they fired an extremely talented and seasoned Broadway actor for being fat (per the link in the post). Do I believe that it went down that way? Yes. Whether it&#8217;s fair or not is your call. I have a suspicion that they wanted a thinner person because when Ursula then takes Ariel&#8217;s voice and  charms Eric away, she makes herself younger and thinner. They probably didn&#8217;t think Emily looked realistic in the non-Octopus half of the show but I can only guess at their reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: mo pie</title>
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		<dc:creator>mo pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 03:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legally Blonde: The Musical is going to be on TV this week. I personally &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mopie.com/blog/2007/01/legally-blonde-colon-musical.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hated it&lt;/a&gt; but everyone else seems to love it.

Also, my best friend loved the musical version of Little Mermaid. However, he also loved Starlight Express, so I&#039;m not sure he can be trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legally Blonde: The Musical is going to be on TV this week. I personally <a href="http://www.mopie.com/blog/2007/01/legally-blonde-colon-musical.html" rel="nofollow">hated it</a> but everyone else seems to love it.</p>
<p>Also, my best friend loved the musical version of Little Mermaid. However, he also loved Starlight Express, so I&#8217;m not sure he can be trusted.</p>
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