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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2007/08/14/face-book/comment-page-1/#comment-4181</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found this blog while surfing. I thought I&#039;d share that you have to fight even in the fat-positive groups. I had joined one and the mod added a ton of picture of anorexic women, saying that we need their images to inspire us not to be disgusting and thin. I fought back and said that the anorexic women in the pictures she added were people too, and that by insulting them and calling them disgusting, we were just as bad as the people who treat us like fat, stupid, ugly cows. I ended up leaving.

Fight the good fight no matter where you find yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this blog while surfing. I thought I&#8217;d share that you have to fight even in the fat-positive groups. I had joined one and the mod added a ton of picture of anorexic women, saying that we need their images to inspire us not to be disgusting and thin. I fought back and said that the anorexic women in the pictures she added were people too, and that by insulting them and calling them disgusting, we were just as bad as the people who treat us like fat, stupid, ugly cows. I ended up leaving.</p>
<p>Fight the good fight no matter where you find yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: enchanted_black</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2007/08/14/face-book/comment-page-1/#comment-4180</link>
		<dc:creator>enchanted_black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, people disappoint me.

If I have to look a certain way to please a man then hell I guess I&#039;ll stay single. I&#039;m happy that way any how, less stress and less worrying about living up to someone&#039;s craptastic standards.

And as for that thing about fat chicks with small tits...I want to bust the mofo who said that shit because I have small boobs and I haven&#039;t had any complaints!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, people disappoint me.</p>
<p>If I have to look a certain way to please a man then hell I guess I&#8217;ll stay single. I&#8217;m happy that way any how, less stress and less worrying about living up to someone&#8217;s craptastic standards.</p>
<p>And as for that thing about fat chicks with small tits&#8230;I want to bust the mofo who said that shit because I have small boobs and I haven&#8217;t had any complaints!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2007/08/14/face-book/comment-page-1/#comment-4179</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As bad as fat hatred is, the elder hate really bugs me. Don’t those idjits realize that one day THEY will be old?&lt;/i&gt;

Or even better - what if they ended up old AND fat?

Bwah-hah-hah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As bad as fat hatred is, the elder hate really bugs me. Don’t those idjits realize that one day THEY will be old?</i></p>
<p>Or even better &#8211; what if they ended up old AND fat?</p>
<p>Bwah-hah-hah!</p>
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		<title>By: littlestar</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2007/08/14/face-book/comment-page-1/#comment-4178</link>
		<dc:creator>littlestar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing I&#039;ve noticed about men who demand that women be attractive for them is that they are either narcissists (who must control everything in their environment to reflect an idealized image of themselves) or they are deeply, deeply insecure and project onto others what they feel they can&#039;t have themselves. Doesn&#039;t mitigate the annoyance or the prejudice, just provides the context.

And I hope that anyone who spends so much time hating another group, whether it&#039;s fat people or the elderly, will get a taste of karma. As bad as fat hatred is, the elder hate really bugs me. Don&#039;t those idjits realize that one day THEY will be old?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I&#8217;ve noticed about men who demand that women be attractive for them is that they are either narcissists (who must control everything in their environment to reflect an idealized image of themselves) or they are deeply, deeply insecure and project onto others what they feel they can&#8217;t have themselves. Doesn&#8217;t mitigate the annoyance or the prejudice, just provides the context.</p>
<p>And I hope that anyone who spends so much time hating another group, whether it&#8217;s fat people or the elderly, will get a taste of karma. As bad as fat hatred is, the elder hate really bugs me. Don&#8217;t those idjits realize that one day THEY will be old?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2007/08/14/face-book/comment-page-1/#comment-4177</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s as though not being attractive enough to them is a personal affront of some sort.&lt;/i&gt;

Word. Look at the vitriol directed towards, for example, women who shave their heads. Some men think that it&#039;s our duty to make ourselves attractive to them and they become very hostile towards any woman who doesn&#039;t go along with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s as though not being attractive enough to them is a personal affront of some sort.</i></p>
<p>Word. Look at the vitriol directed towards, for example, women who shave their heads. Some men think that it&#8217;s our duty to make ourselves attractive to them and they become very hostile towards any woman who doesn&#8217;t go along with that.</p>
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		<title>By: MizShrew</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2007/08/14/face-book/comment-page-1/#comment-4176</link>
		<dc:creator>MizShrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with spacedcowgirl; there is absolutely a gender component to a lot (not all) of the fat hatred out there. It is not that fat men don&#039;t deal with rejection, shaming, hatred, comments, etc. But if you use the FaceBook groups as an example, you&#039;ll see that there are FAR more &quot;I hate fat chicks&quot;-type comments and groups than &quot;I hate fat guys.&quot; Some people feel comfortable hating fat people in general; many others reserve their vitriol for fat women. It&#039;s as though not being attractive enough to them is a personal affront of some sort.

I&#039;m not trying to minimize the difficulties in finding clothes, clubs, etc. for fat men; but not recognizing the misogynistic aspect of some of these groups, comments, etc. is a mistake, I think. The rise of women-centered fat acceptance chat rooms, night clubs, etc., is a direct response to the very vocal, very direct, and incredibly prevalent attitudes toward fat women in our culture, not a reflection of increased acceptance by that culture. Fat women have had to create their own culture of acceptance.

Now, in all fairness, I&#039;m sure that the isolation many fat men may feel, (lacking the culture/social network that fat women have created) is awful, and I don&#039;t want to minimize the pain of that. But in the context of the FaceBook discussion and its application to the culture at large, I completely disagree that fat hatred is entirely genderless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with spacedcowgirl; there is absolutely a gender component to a lot (not all) of the fat hatred out there. It is not that fat men don&#8217;t deal with rejection, shaming, hatred, comments, etc. But if you use the FaceBook groups as an example, you&#8217;ll see that there are FAR more &#8220;I hate fat chicks&#8221;-type comments and groups than &#8220;I hate fat guys.&#8221; Some people feel comfortable hating fat people in general; many others reserve their vitriol for fat women. It&#8217;s as though not being attractive enough to them is a personal affront of some sort.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to minimize the difficulties in finding clothes, clubs, etc. for fat men; but not recognizing the misogynistic aspect of some of these groups, comments, etc. is a mistake, I think. The rise of women-centered fat acceptance chat rooms, night clubs, etc., is a direct response to the very vocal, very direct, and incredibly prevalent attitudes toward fat women in our culture, not a reflection of increased acceptance by that culture. Fat women have had to create their own culture of acceptance.</p>
<p>Now, in all fairness, I&#8217;m sure that the isolation many fat men may feel, (lacking the culture/social network that fat women have created) is awful, and I don&#8217;t want to minimize the pain of that. But in the context of the FaceBook discussion and its application to the culture at large, I completely disagree that fat hatred is entirely genderless.</p>
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		<title>By: spacedcowgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2007/08/14/face-book/comment-page-1/#comment-4175</link>
		<dc:creator>spacedcowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[...] sex has nothing to do with it.&quot;

I think this is NOT true. I think fat people of both genders have a really tough row to hoe, but I think that specific issues for fat women are tied up in other people, or patriarchal society, or whatever you want to call it, feeling like they can and should be able to control women&#039;s bodies and dictate what they should look like, occupy women with &quot;busy work&quot; like trying to diet and exercise into a size 4 and keep their bodies hair-free, etc. etc.

This isn&#039;t really about my own experience as a fat woman because I haven&#039;t personally run into much discrimination or obstacles related to my weight since grade school. But I think that gender issues just make being fat even more of a minefield for women. I&#039;m really not trying to say &quot;women have it worse&quot; because that&#039;s almost beside the point (for example, based on your post I&#039;d say you probably actually have it worse than me in terms of facing discrimination as you navigate through society at this point in time); what I mean is that in my personal opinion it is impossible to deny that there is a gender component to fat hatred. It&#039;s about men wanting women&#039;s bodies to conform to certain standards, not wanting women to &quot;take up space,&quot; and a million other issues I don&#039;t even understand. But it is very real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[...] sex has nothing to do with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is NOT true. I think fat people of both genders have a really tough row to hoe, but I think that specific issues for fat women are tied up in other people, or patriarchal society, or whatever you want to call it, feeling like they can and should be able to control women&#8217;s bodies and dictate what they should look like, occupy women with &#8220;busy work&#8221; like trying to diet and exercise into a size 4 and keep their bodies hair-free, etc. etc.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t really about my own experience as a fat woman because I haven&#8217;t personally run into much discrimination or obstacles related to my weight since grade school. But I think that gender issues just make being fat even more of a minefield for women. I&#8217;m really not trying to say &#8220;women have it worse&#8221; because that&#8217;s almost beside the point (for example, based on your post I&#8217;d say you probably actually have it worse than me in terms of facing discrimination as you navigate through society at this point in time); what I mean is that in my personal opinion it is impossible to deny that there is a gender component to fat hatred. It&#8217;s about men wanting women&#8217;s bodies to conform to certain standards, not wanting women to &#8220;take up space,&#8221; and a million other issues I don&#8217;t even understand. But it is very real.</p>
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		<title>By: v'ron</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2007/08/14/face-book/comment-page-1/#comment-4174</link>
		<dc:creator>v'ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe its sad that I am not shocked about fat hate groups on facebook, but my mouth dropped open on elder hate groups.

Hate groups in general: do these people have any kind of life that they spend their time actively hating groups of people? It&#039;s kind of sad, that the only way they can seem to prop themselve up is to hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe its sad that I am not shocked about fat hate groups on facebook, but my mouth dropped open on elder hate groups.</p>
<p>Hate groups in general: do these people have any kind of life that they spend their time actively hating groups of people? It&#8217;s kind of sad, that the only way they can seem to prop themselve up is to hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2007/08/14/face-book/comment-page-1/#comment-4173</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Fat Blog had a discussion the other week on LiveJournal and pro-ana blogs. Apparently, people pissed off they couldn&#039;t have Daniel Radcliffe-Harry Potter porn examined the TOS and thusly reported multiple pro-ana communities to LiveJournal.  LJ responded by saying they weren&#039;t going to delete them because something along the lines of &quot;aspiring to thinness isn&#039;t harmful,&quot; despite the fact that anorexia is a mental illness which manifests itself as a desire to be thin and not a case of thin-envy.

It seems FaceBook is no different - anything anti-fat is condoned because everyone knows fat people just need a bit of social stigmatization to get off their fat asses and lose weight, right.

Sigh.  I&#039;m glad I don&#039;t use it.  I&#039;m too old for this kind of high school bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Fat Blog had a discussion the other week on LiveJournal and pro-ana blogs. Apparently, people pissed off they couldn&#8217;t have Daniel Radcliffe-Harry Potter porn examined the TOS and thusly reported multiple pro-ana communities to LiveJournal.  LJ responded by saying they weren&#8217;t going to delete them because something along the lines of &#8220;aspiring to thinness isn&#8217;t harmful,&#8221; despite the fact that anorexia is a mental illness which manifests itself as a desire to be thin and not a case of thin-envy.</p>
<p>It seems FaceBook is no different &#8211; anything anti-fat is condoned because everyone knows fat people just need a bit of social stigmatization to get off their fat asses and lose weight, right.</p>
<p>Sigh.  I&#8217;m glad I don&#8217;t use it.  I&#8217;m too old for this kind of high school bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Nicole's Freydblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Nicole's Freydblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for bringing this issue out.  Just so you know, I&#039;ve reported the elder hate groups about a month ago, multiple times, and they&#039;re still on facebook.  I had a huge problem trying to get anyone to talk to me live when I called their offices as a freelance reporter &quot;about to go to press&quot; with the elder hate issue.  No one has called me back.  I&#039;m waiting for a blogger to return from holiday late August, then we&#039;re going to try to contact the press.  Would you like this issue to be included?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for bringing this issue out.  Just so you know, I&#8217;ve reported the elder hate groups about a month ago, multiple times, and they&#8217;re still on facebook.  I had a huge problem trying to get anyone to talk to me live when I called their offices as a freelance reporter &#8220;about to go to press&#8221; with the elder hate issue.  No one has called me back.  I&#8217;m waiting for a blogger to return from holiday late August, then we&#8217;re going to try to contact the press.  Would you like this issue to be included?</p>
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