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		<title>By: ginger</title>
		<link>http://www.bfdblog.com/2007/06/20/perhaps-i-should-use-smaller-words/comment-page-1/#comment-2960</link>
		<dc:creator>ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC article is dated March 3, 2003, so I think maybe the work they oversimplified was the following:

Elias MF, Elias PK, Sullivan LM, Wolf PA, D&#039;Agostino RB. Lower cognitive function in the presence of obesity and hypertension: the Framingham heart study. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2003 Feb;27(2):260-8.

The number of male participants is incorrectly cited in the BBC article, but the overall number of participants does tot up to roughly 1400.

La Wade is, as always, on the money: there&#039;s plenty of research supporting the notion that obesity is among the risk factors for vascular dementia, and is plausibly on a proposed (much-forked, multivariate) causative pathway.     The Framingham Heart Study is a well-respected and very longstanding (fifty years and counting) cohort study run jointly by the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute and Boston U. In this use of the data, the investigators wanted to see whether the existing observations about obesity and neurological damage from altered cerebral blood flow and microvascular damage were, as the mechanism seems to suggest, associated with an increased risk of measurable cognitive loss among people without clinical dementia and with and without hypertension (to see where obesity and hypertension interacted.)

The &quot;what of the children&quot; comment, taken in the context of FHS, is probably best interpreted literally: if obesity results in increasing neurologic damage over time, with or without hypertension, then the longer that people live with obesity, the greater the deficits are likely to be, so obese children who never shed the weight are likely to be at most risk.

BTW, Harvard jealousy is unlikely given that Dr. Elias has been at University of Maine for the past 30 years (he&#039;s a collaborator with FHS - but he runs the Maine-Syracuse Longitudinal Study, which is also old and well-respected and a source of a lot of our understanding of how cardiovascular disease works in the real world.) Also, Ivy League jealousy isn&#039;t as common at the advanced-degree level of public health as it is at the general undergrad level, probably because the pissing matches are so different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC article is dated March 3, 2003, so I think maybe the work they oversimplified was the following:</p>
<p>Elias MF, Elias PK, Sullivan LM, Wolf PA, D&#8217;Agostino RB. Lower cognitive function in the presence of obesity and hypertension: the Framingham heart study. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2003 Feb;27(2):260-8.</p>
<p>The number of male participants is incorrectly cited in the BBC article, but the overall number of participants does tot up to roughly 1400.</p>
<p>La Wade is, as always, on the money: there&#8217;s plenty of research supporting the notion that obesity is among the risk factors for vascular dementia, and is plausibly on a proposed (much-forked, multivariate) causative pathway.     The Framingham Heart Study is a well-respected and very longstanding (fifty years and counting) cohort study run jointly by the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute and Boston U. In this use of the data, the investigators wanted to see whether the existing observations about obesity and neurological damage from altered cerebral blood flow and microvascular damage were, as the mechanism seems to suggest, associated with an increased risk of measurable cognitive loss among people without clinical dementia and with and without hypertension (to see where obesity and hypertension interacted.)</p>
<p>The &#8220;what of the children&#8221; comment, taken in the context of FHS, is probably best interpreted literally: if obesity results in increasing neurologic damage over time, with or without hypertension, then the longer that people live with obesity, the greater the deficits are likely to be, so obese children who never shed the weight are likely to be at most risk.</p>
<p>BTW, Harvard jealousy is unlikely given that Dr. Elias has been at University of Maine for the past 30 years (he&#8217;s a collaborator with FHS &#8211; but he runs the Maine-Syracuse Longitudinal Study, which is also old and well-respected and a source of a lot of our understanding of how cardiovascular disease works in the real world.) Also, Ivy League jealousy isn&#8217;t as common at the advanced-degree level of public health as it is at the general undergrad level, probably because the pissing matches are so different.</p>
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		<title>By: Smissy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smissy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well apparently the writer of this article isn&#039;t too bright - there is no such place as &quot;University of Boston&quot; - does he mean UMass or BU?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well apparently the writer of this article isn&#8217;t too bright &#8211; there is no such place as &#8220;University of Boston&#8221; &#8211; does he mean UMass or BU?</p>
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		<title>By: La Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, well, it&#039;s funny you should mention that Mo, because this afternoon, my dad sent me an article from today&#039;s New York Times entitled &quot;Study Says Eldest Children Have Higher IQs.&quot;  (He did not send it to my two sisters, who are younger).  It didn&#039;t say &quot;Younger Children Have Lower IQs.&quot;

And K, these studies are looking at relationships between lifetime obesity and long-term risk of poorer neurocognitive performance, not the effects of gaining a few pounds over the course of a year.  Of course you&#039;re right that education doesn&#039;t lower IQ, and in fact it has actually been found to reduce your risk of neurodegenerative disease such as Alzheimer&#039;s (although again, that is just a correlation, not an established causal relationship).  But I have to disagree with your quote--exercise has been found to improve mental performance both in the short and long term.  And college students who participate in varsity sports have been shown to have higher GPAs and higher rates of graduation.  So it might actually be worth it, intellectually and academically, to put the studying on the back burner once in a while!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, well, it&#8217;s funny you should mention that Mo, because this afternoon, my dad sent me an article from today&#8217;s New York Times entitled &#8220;Study Says Eldest Children Have Higher IQs.&#8221;  (He did not send it to my two sisters, who are younger).  It didn&#8217;t say &#8220;Younger Children Have Lower IQs.&#8221;</p>
<p>And K, these studies are looking at relationships between lifetime obesity and long-term risk of poorer neurocognitive performance, not the effects of gaining a few pounds over the course of a year.  Of course you&#8217;re right that education doesn&#8217;t lower IQ, and in fact it has actually been found to reduce your risk of neurodegenerative disease such as Alzheimer&#8217;s (although again, that is just a correlation, not an established causal relationship).  But I have to disagree with your quote&#8211;exercise has been found to improve mental performance both in the short and long term.  And college students who participate in varsity sports have been shown to have higher GPAs and higher rates of graduation.  So it might actually be worth it, intellectually and academically, to put the studying on the back burner once in a while!</p>
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		<title>By: mo pie</title>
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		<dc:creator>mo pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&#039;I agree with Mo that this headline was inflammatory. There are many risk factors for dementia, including certain genes, and I can’t imagine any newspaper running a headline saying “People with APOE-e4 gene variant have lower IQs.&#039;&quot;

Yes, thank you! That&#039;s exactly what I couldn&#039;t quite put my finger on.  Also, the fact that there&#039;s no University of Boston is pretty amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8216;I agree with Mo that this headline was inflammatory. There are many risk factors for dementia, including certain genes, and I can’t imagine any newspaper running a headline saying “People with APOE-e4 gene variant have lower IQs.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, thank you! That&#8217;s exactly what I couldn&#8217;t quite put my finger on.  Also, the fact that there&#8217;s no University of Boston is pretty amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, does going to university make you stupider? Because it definitely makes you gain weight. My friends and I were relatively healthy up until final year, when we all sort of stopped exercising and ate a lot of cake to combat stress.

I used to have a quotation stuck to my computer which said (from memory) &quot;Exams are passed on coffee and chocolate. It is impossible to have a finely honed mind and a finely honed body.&quot;

Then I decided it was defeatist and chucked it out. But nonetheless, I don&#039;t have nearly so much time to exercise since I started graduate school...

That&#039;s not a false correlation, but the one in the article definitely IS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, does going to university make you stupider? Because it definitely makes you gain weight. My friends and I were relatively healthy up until final year, when we all sort of stopped exercising and ate a lot of cake to combat stress.</p>
<p>I used to have a quotation stuck to my computer which said (from memory) &#8220;Exams are passed on coffee and chocolate. It is impossible to have a finely honed mind and a finely honed body.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then I decided it was defeatist and chucked it out. But nonetheless, I don&#8217;t have nearly so much time to exercise since I started graduate school&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a false correlation, but the one in the article definitely IS.</p>
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		<title>By: enchanted_black</title>
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		<dc:creator>enchanted_black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will they come with next? The world is becoming a huge sandbox with all these wannabe bullies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will they come with next? The world is becoming a huge sandbox with all these wannabe bullies.</p>
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		<title>By: spinsterwitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>spinsterwitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are many risk factors for dementia&quot;

Many, many risk factors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are many risk factors for dementia&#8221;</p>
<p>Many, many risk factors.</p>
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		<title>By: La Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this article did not present a very convincing argument.  But there have been dozens of studies conducted in different countries and under different conditions that have linked obesity with impaired cognition (do a google search for &quot;vascular dementia obesity&quot; to read some), and several potential mechanisms are now being studied.  The link is not yet proven, but I also think the evidence is sufficient that this hypothesis shouldn&#039;t be dismissed out of hand.

But of course all that is very different from saying that all obese people are stupid, and I agree with Mo that this headline was inflammatory.  There are many risk factors for dementia, including certain genes, and I can&#039;t imagine any newspaper running a headline saying &quot;People with APOE-e4 gene variant have lower IQs.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this article did not present a very convincing argument.  But there have been dozens of studies conducted in different countries and under different conditions that have linked obesity with impaired cognition (do a google search for &#8220;vascular dementia obesity&#8221; to read some), and several potential mechanisms are now being studied.  The link is not yet proven, but I also think the evidence is sufficient that this hypothesis shouldn&#8217;t be dismissed out of hand.</p>
<p>But of course all that is very different from saying that all obese people are stupid, and I agree with Mo that this headline was inflammatory.  There are many risk factors for dementia, including certain genes, and I can&#8217;t imagine any newspaper running a headline saying &#8220;People with APOE-e4 gene variant have lower IQs.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article reeks of generalization. It makes me think we should start using phrenology again to make medical decisions. I find it hard to believe that  this correlation between IQ and &quot;being fat&quot; could be proven. Maybe there are just that many people in the world with low IQs. I think seeing a chart of average IQ scores with people in the same demographic would have been helpful to substantiate the findings, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article reeks of generalization. It makes me think we should start using phrenology again to make medical decisions. I find it hard to believe that  this correlation between IQ and &#8220;being fat&#8221; could be proven. Maybe there are just that many people in the world with low IQs. I think seeing a chart of average IQ scores with people in the same demographic would have been helpful to substantiate the findings, no?</p>
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		<title>By: littlem</title>
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		<dc:creator>littlem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This reminds me of the illogical causation theories that were purported by so-called doctors during slavery and the eugenics eras.&quot;

I know, right?  CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION.

I&#039;m sure I rant about the lack of critical thinking in our culture too much.

Naaahhh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This reminds me of the illogical causation theories that were purported by so-called doctors during slavery and the eugenics eras.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know, right?  CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I rant about the lack of critical thinking in our culture too much.</p>
<p>Naaahhh.</p>
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